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is next. i'm uma pemmaraju. make it a great day everybody. >> this week on the journal editorial report, a new pope for the new world. what the election of francis means for the catholic church's influence in the united states and around the world. plus, the obama charm offensive continues with his poll numbers slipping, the president heads to capitol hill. is he really looking for common ground and how should republicans respond? and hollywood activists embrace them and president obama wants to put a million of them on america's roads, but are electric cars all that green? welcome to the journal editorial report, i'm paul
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gigot. well, some surprising firsts for the 2000-year-old catholic church as college of cardinals elected jorge bergoglio, pope francis, first ever from latin america, and first jesuit and in more than a millennium. the pontiff was placed on the fifth ballot to replace pope benedict xvi, the first in 600 years to resign. what does it mean for the catholic church and influence around the world and 70 million faithful here in the united states. let's ask the wall street journal columnist and dan henninger, board member mary anastasia o'grady and peggy noonan. we've learned more about this new pope and what do you make of the choice? >> i continue to marvel at what a surprise it was because
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of his age. because he wasn't on anybody's list. and that said, i think the key fact of him is that he took the name francis. it's the first francis ever, took it from st. francis of assisi, one of whose great stories involved being told by christ, clean up my church which is in ruins. this suggests to me that this very humble seeming man, even a shy seeming man, a guy with little show biz, it suggestion suggests to me, he knows the trouble the church is in, the vati-leaks and at age 76 will move urgently my sense is and try to clean up.
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and there are some say because another reformer, because archbishop scola was overlooked. do you think that he's going to come in with the reform mindset that peggy talked about? >> i think the reform mindset is inevitable. the problem that the church had in the last ten or so years so he will have to address that. i think it it goes beyond that, paul. i think there's much to be said about this pope that resembles pope john paul, carol wotilla. both are astute and morally astute and given the fact that the pope is responsible not only for the abuses in europe and the united states, but africa, china, middle east where religious freedom is not just an idea, it's a public policy and from the days of the catacombs in the earliest years of the church, it's his responsibility to protect the people and suggest that this
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pope's background will be good at dealing with this. >> it's interesting, the argentina background. and with the center left government of the kerschners there. and there are italians who speak spanish and think they're british. one of the things, the pope brings sort of a bridge between argentina being the most european of latin american countries and latin america itself and the developing world, as dan says. and i think what he -- what he's learned there is that the threats to the church are not just evangelical. they're inroads that the evangelicals have made, but also secularism which is more of a problem in argentina and in europe than it is in other parts of latin america, and i think what he-- the reason he ran into trouble with the current president and
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the former president is because he was challenging him on issues of corruption and basically materialism and these are the key points that made him an enemy of the government. he never says specifically to the government, you know, you are-- you should do this, that or the other thing. he talks about values and he talks about basically materialism. >> you made an interesting point in your column this week, peggy, the disturning between the tension that exists between the social justice catholics and more traditional catholics and you think this pope could bridge that difference. what do you mean? >> i just have a feeling as i first watched him speak, i thought clearly i'd been reading about him a little. this is a man, as they say, who has a heart for the poor. now, all christians are called to have a heart for the poor, but he has demonstrated it, it's characterlogical with him.
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he has compassion for the vulnerable. at the same time he is in my view marvellously strongly pro the forces of life, pro the culture of life. in the catholic church there's been a little division between the social justice, worry about the poor and more traditional worry about all human life. i hope i didn't put that unfairly or tangentially. and this man maybe just by being could help the distance between the two groups could heal a little bit. >> because those aren't necessarily contradictory, they're central tendencies within the catholic-- >> it's messed up in regards to politics. could i say something with regard to what mary said. it's so interesting to me, but i think that george wygle made the point that this new pope francis also comes from a nation in which the church has real and profound tensions with the government, and that gives him an experience that applies to the catholic church
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in china, the catholic church in cuba, the catholic church in all nations that are not fully free. >> and it clashes with the government are not-- i mean, they're about corruption, but they're also about the last issues that you're talking about and in this government, first the city of buenos aires approved gay marriage and the government it it on a national basis and he had a lot of struggles with that. >> that's it for our college of cardinals here. when we come back president obama's charm offensive continues as he meets with republicans on capitol hill. republicans on capitol hill. is his outreach sincere or what's droid-smart ? with google now, it automatically knows when you need to leave for the airport, how much traffic there is, and can have your boarding pass ready. the droid razr maxx hd by motorola. droid-smart. droid-powerful. [ sighs ] [ ringing continues, dog barks ] [ male announcer ] staples makes it easier
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among membership in the senate and the house about this constant grind, day in, day out, of argument and crisis instead of productivity and movement forward. >> paul: president obama sounding a bipartisan town in washington. with the sequester two weeks old and his numbers dipping. they're looking at many and meeting with the house and senate from both parties. so is outreach sincere and how should republicans respond. we're back with dan henninger and peggy noonan. dan, two weeks ago the president was attacking republicans for these supposedly horrible spending cuts and now he's reaching out to them. >> well, what i make of the change in strategy, the republicans called his bluff and let the sequester happen
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and the sky didn't fall. a couple of things did happen his approval rating dropped 12 points among women and the handling of the economy is a dead heat with the republicans. he doesn't have to run for reelection again, but a lot of democrats do and if you're a democrat who needs to get reelected you're getting very nervous and i think the democratic elites in washington have conveyed to the president this isn't working. you've got to do business with these people. >> paul: do you think it's cosmetic, rhetorical or do you think it's actually sincere? >> well, if it were deeply sincere, it would suggest a sea change with the president and i don't think that anyone is running around washington saying, my god, do you believe how he's changed? it's called a charge offensive and that's a weird name for this. he's not being especially charming and his own white house seems to find it somewhat offensive that they
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have to deploy him out to talk to crazy republicans. >> there was a background growth this week. >> there was. >> on the story. >> this is not going to-- ap reporter, this doesn't mean anything, it's not going anywhere. we're almost embarrassed to-- >> just doing it for you and the media, but this is the thing, i mean, the president's funny, it is in his interest in 15 different ways to get some sort of deal with the republicans. the republicans find him interesting, they talk with him, they would love to negotiate with him, but they need him involved so that he can bring his democrats in and democrats and republicans together with the i am prpresid could move forward. and no reason to see that he's going to do that. he seems to be going to high profile dates which everybody can say, that's nice. >> paul: i've talked with half a dozen senior republicans and saying basically the same thing, he told us what he thinks of us and we told him
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what we think of him and it was frank discussions, as they say in the diplomatic world, not terribly friendly and not a lot of ideological bridging going on. mostly a statement of principles. all right, if you want a deal let's stop attacking each other and at least that's sort of a minimum. i didn't get a sense that there's a lot of progress on the policy. >> well, look, paul, as we said on this program, barack obama has taken federal spending up to near 25% of gdp. paul ryan in his proposal down to 19 1/2% over ten years. the gap between what barack obama is willing to do and what the republicans want to do is enormous. these are huge numbers and the idea that obama is going to do a compromise with them in the space in between i think is very unlikely, paul. >> paul: the other thing the president said this week that was interesting to republicans is, you need me, you need me to be able to sell and reform of medicare and medicaid and
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giant programs to democrats. they'll never go along with it otherwise. is he right about that? >> look, if he's right or he's wrong, he shouldn't say it. one shouldn't say those taunting things to a group one is trying to do negotiation with. and to dan's point, one of the problems i think that the president has had in the polls is that he seems very often now not to be telling the truth. and in ways that are apparent to the american people. terrible things will happen with the sequester, nothing bad happens. well, we are going to cancel white house tours. oh, by the way, i didn't cancel the white house tours, somebody else did. somebody else says, no, actually it was them. and there's a sense of card playing that seems old-fashioned and tacky, too. i don't think it's playing well. >> paul: how should republicans respond, dan, briefly? >> i think they should respond by sticking to what they have
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done. they will only negotiate in public with this president and emphasize transparency and think of that number for the goal for federal spending. within that context discuss the details, i think if they say the same thing over and over and go forward with the president they will be stronger. >> paul: all right. thank you both. still ahead, hollywood loves them, and environmental activists tout them and president obama wants to put a million of them on the road by 2015. as it turns out, those so-called green electric cars have a dirty littléyéy÷y
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>> well, it's the vehicle of voice for hollywood activists for leo dicaprio.
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and the president would like to see a million of them on the roads. but the so-called green electric cars have a dirty secret. the all right of the copen center in washington and author of cool it, the environmentalist guide to global warming. when you say that green cars may not be all that green, electric cars, what do you mean? >> fundamentally everyone thinks that electric car has zero emissions and that's what we're sold and that's true in part. when you produce the car it uses a lot of energy and electricity especially to produce the battery. so what's the-- it's like you've already driven it 80,000 miles. he so, you've already put out a lot by buying the car. >> paul: and the production, is it more green, more carbon
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emissions produced for the battery than produced for a regular car? >> yes, it produces more than twice the amount of co 2, producing the electric cars than the regular gas car. so, it's clearly behind already when it rolls out the factory. and also, while you're driving you still recharge it with electricity and of course, put out less co 2 than a gasoline car, but you have a lot to catch up. unless you drive it for a very long wall, at least, 60, 70,000 miles you don't get ahead because they have very, very short ranges and that's not a possible outcome. >> you have to plug into the electric grid essentially and the electric power is produced by right now things like coal and natural gas. and what if we move to an electric power grid that was fundamentally powered by wind and solar, a lot of californians are trying to get to, and then wouldn't electric cars pay off? >> then electric cars would be much better and pay themselves back much quicker. so, yes, the electric car is a
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good idea in the long run. >> define the long run. >> we don't know, two things you need to do. one, you need to get to electricity grid that's much greener than it is today. that's not going to happen in the next couple of deck kalades. >> if you look at the agent, right now 0.8% of energy from wind and 0.1 from solar if you look to 2035, we're all going be to be green. no, the answer is 2.4% wind and 0.6% solar. so we're still going to be majorly fossil fuel based even in 22 years so the reality is, this is a tiny addition to tackling global warming. >> paul: so batteries have to be replaced like in your cell phone, for example, what's the environmental impact of getting rid of the electric batteries.
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they have to go somewhere. >> the energy impact is not very big of the disposal of the batteries, obviously there are concerns that you need to dispose of them correctly, but the real problem is, if you drive very, very far in your electric car, you have to change your battery and then of course you put on a whole new load of co 2 emission. >> reload the battery. >> or if you drive around in the huge cars that have lots, lots of batteries and therefore extended range, then you'll never get ahead with the co 2 emission. the reality is, green cars are not very green. >> even if you take them at the optimum value and make the nicest assumptions for them this'll probably end up emitting about 8.7 tons of co 2 over the lifetime. if you take the damage estimate of that, that means that you avoid about $44 of carbon damage in their lifetime. >> paul: and that's minuscule on the-- >> well, we're paying them 7,500 in subsidies and people are paying a lot more beyond
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that for the privilege of running the cars. >> paul: each consumer gets a tax credit that's $7500 if i go out and buy an electric car. the government's actually paying me something to buy this, also subsidizing the producers of those cars with subsidies. is that a good deal for taxpayers? >> no, fundamentally, you're paying $7500 or more for a benefit that's environmentally worth about $44. not a good deal. >> paul: that's not a good deal. if you really care about climate change and want to have an impact, what should you drive? does it matter? >> you should definitely drive a smaller car and focused on do i really need-- should i take public transport? what you need to recognize this is not about you or me or anyone else in particular what we're trying it do. it's about how we organize our societies and how do we get the chinese to drive in the next 20, 40 years and that's about technology. so i'm all for an electric car in the long run, but it's an electric car that's going to
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The Journal Editorial Report
FOX News March 17, 2013 2:00am-2:30am PDT

News/Business. Paul Gigot discusses news, politics, society and finance. (CC) (Stereo)

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